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Jane Fonda, Stalin, Hitler, and Ceausescu

Postby GaryDeMar » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:00 am

Jane Fonda has had a varied and somewhat controversial career. She was photographed seated on an anti-aircraft battery in North Vietnam in 1972. Since then she has been known as “Hanoi Jane.” She’s had a successful acting career (two Academy Awards), turned out a series of fitness videos from 1982 through 1995, married media mogul Ted Turner, is working on her fourth marriage to a younger man (he’s 67, she’s 71), and continues to say and do stupid things. Although claiming to be a Christian, Fonda is an outspoken advocate of abortion rights. On March 29, 2005, Planned Parenthood honored Fonda with the Margaret Sanger Award, named for the organization’s pro-abortion and eugenicist founder.

In a recent blog post, Fonda stated that a “power struggle . . . has existed from the very beginning of the 120-year fight over reproductive rights. Every dictator—Stalin, Ceaucescu [sic], Hilter [sic]—has made anti-choice a central component of their agenda.” The important words here are “their agenda.” Stalin’s support for abortion had nothing to do with religion. He was an atheist. It had everything to do with building up the military. In a 2003 New York Times article titled “Birth Control in Russia,” we find this utilitarian tidbit: “In 1936, Stalin banned abortion to stimulate the birth rate. In a widely resented decree that was dropped after his death, Stalin made it clear that the nation’s couples should produce workers and soldiers as vigorously as new Soviet industries were turning out trucks and steel beams.” By the way, Russia is losing population at a rapid rate—“almost 700,000 annually.”

In 1966 there were four abortions for every live birth in Romania. Women were aborting their children because they did not want to bring them into the dark world of Communism. In that same year, Nicolae Ceauşescu (1918–1989) issued Decree No. 770 prohibiting abortion and artificial contraception. Like Stalin, Ceauşescu was an atheist. He was not motivated by religion or concern for families or unborn children. His anti-abortion policies were strictly utilitarian, “an attempt to build his country into a colossus through population growth.”[1] In an ironic twist, Ceauşescu’s anti-abortion policies led to his downfall since it was the children born after the Decree went into effect who took part in the revolution of 1989 that led to the tyrant’s execution.

Fonda’ third anti-abortion example is Adolf Hitler. Once again, certain facts are ignored in her claim that tyrants are against abortion in the same way that those who “grant . . . personhood to the fetus” are against abortion. Curiously, Fonda doesn’t say anything about the one-child policy and forced abortions of the Communist Chinese. In Broken Earth, Steven Mosher writes that “[Chinese] vigilantes abduct pregnant women on the streets and haul them off, sometimes handcuffed or trussed, to abortion clinics. [Some] aborted babies cry when they are born.” You can read about some of the shocking details of China’s one-child policy here. But back to Hitler. Richard Weikiart puts Hitler’s anti-abortion policies in proper historical and ideological perspective:

Hitler’s opposition to abortion is sometimes portrayed as evidence of his traditional Christian moral values. However, Hitler never appealed to religion, God, or divine revelation to ground his opposition to abortion. Rather he insisted on vigorous enforcement of extant antiabortion laws because he considered German population expansion vital to the improvement of the Aryan race. Also, Hitler did not oppose abortion per se, but only abortion of healthy, Aryan babies. Abortion was permitted—even encouraged or required—for those who might produce “inferior” offspring or for Jews. The ultimate authority was not God, the Bible, religious tradition, or any fixed moral code containing the command, “thou shalt not kill.” Rather, for Hitler the highest arbiter of morality and political policies was the evolutionary advancement of the human species. In the final analysis, Hitler based his morality on a racist form of evolutionary ethics. Claudia Koonz[2] is right when she argues that the Nazi ethic was a secular replacement and repudiation of traditional Christian ethics.[3]

Fonda and her pro-abortion allies have more in common with the tyrants of history than they realize. More than 100 million preborn babies have been aborted since Roe v. Wade, about the same number who had been murdered by the tyrants of the 20th century.

Endnotes:

[1] Jane Perlez, “Romania's Communist Legacy: ‘Abortion Culture,’” The New York Times (November 21, 1996).
[2] Claudia Koonz, The Nazi Conscience (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 2001), 1–2, 254–255. Also see Jonathan Glover, Humanity: A Moral History of the Twentieth Century (New Haven, CT: Yale Nota Bene, 2001), 317, 355.
[3] Richard Weikiart, Hitler’s Ethic: The Nazi Pursuit of Evolutionary Progress (New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2009), 8.
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Re: Jane Fonda, Stalin, Hitler, and Ceausescu

Postby Michael R » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:30 am

"And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall" (Isaiah 30:25)

Millions of young Americans of the Vietnam era wisely recognized and rejected the evil of an unending and unwinnable war that took the lives of 58,000 of their own and four million Vietnamese. At the same time they foolishly rejected the traditional moral values of their parents and society. The anti-war movement was closely identified with the sexual revolution (make love, not war)


That was the mid to late 1960's. By the early '70's their new found sexual freedom had produced so many babies nobody wanted that Roe v. Wade was easily rammed down the throats of an unsuspecting public in 1973. Their newly acquired freedom of "choice" and "right to privacy" gave little thought to the economic repercussions of the killing off of one-third of the next generation. But lo and behold, 21 years later, just as the first victims of the abortion holocaust would have begun to take their place in the work force in 1994, a labor shortage appeared. To compensate for this the government opened the floodgates to foreign immigrants. With them came the terrorists, down went the towers and young Americans are back on the battlefield in another unending and unwinnable war.

War begat abortion, abortion begat war, bloodshed begets bloodshed. In this day of the great slaughter we see innocents by the millions dead and dying in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the abortion mills of America. Liberals oppose these wars but support a women's "freedom of choice". "Pro-lifers" (mainly evangelical conservatives) oppose the murder of the unborn but cheer as defenseless innocents in foreign lands are bombed, murdered, maimed, and tortured. Both sides are inconsistent and monstrously hypocritical. Again the prophet Isaiah speaks to our generation:" Everyone is a hypocrite and an evil doer" (9:17)
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Re: Jane Fonda, Stalin, Hitler, and Ceausescu

Postby Lumberjack » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:48 am

Hello Michael R,
" ( mainly evangelical consevatives ) ... but cheer as defenseless innocents in foreign lands are.." Killed.

I remember an article published in American Visions magazine stating that since Iraq attacked us, we should whole - heartedly as Christians support the Bush War on Iraq.

Then they were selling Bahnsens teachings that a biblically unjust war is murder.

Regards, Lumberjack

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Re: Jane Fonda, Stalin, Hitler, and Ceausescu

Postby jewelsprout » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:08 am

As a woman who has had more than one abortion its like a knife that goes through my heart every time I read about how "alive" babies are when they are aborted. I wouldn't wish this pain on anyone. THANK GOD I HAVE YOU JESUS...because this world is EVIL.

When a DRAGON SPEWS WATER at you...make sure you hold up your RECEIPT of Jesus' blood. THAT is what our mother, the first church, did WHO IS IN HEAVEN.

Galatians 4:26
Revelation 12

GOD DID NOT MAKE THE TIMELINE DIFFICULT....HE REITERATED IT FOR US.

Even a CHILD could understand what awful men have made a BLOODY MESS of. And I actually am HAPPY every last "teacher" of the Bible will give an account in front of God for what they taught.

FALSE DOCTRINE IS NOT FOREVER.

And aborting DIVIDING CELLS is not the SAME as throwing functioning children towards MOLECH which is what our MILITARY DOES. HELLO????? MOLECH is a MIDDLE EASTERN DEMON who requires lots of sacrifice...kind of what we've been doing for decades in the middle east. All hail that DARK DEMON MOLECH who requires our children's blood and our tax money. FUTHERMORE you HAUGHTY HYPOCRITES.... if your wives are taking the pill you ARE CONDUCTING REGULAR ABORTIONS as it doesn't PREVENT pregnancy but instead STOPS the cell division.

If you really want to stop abortions then REQUIRE PREGNANCY to be under the same laws as child support and you'll see way more responsible zipped up men.
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Re: Jane Fonda, Stalin, Hitler, and Ceausescu

Postby Jeff Swanson » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:23 am

Remember this is one of the main reason why the Northern Tribes were taken away by the Assyrians, they began passing their children through the fire. Not much unlike today, it was also for perceived personal benefit.

Lumberjack… really. I get your point if you are talking about politicians, or yahoos that just shoot off their mouth without thinking. But the vast majority of our troops have and have always Christian values even if it is at varying degrees. Kind of like an infection, if you will from living in a Christian country, in that even nonbelievers have been touched by it. Sure there are some bad examples you could point to but they are rare. The History Channel's WWII in color this week

I noticed that you signed off Sgt. USMC. If this is your rank I thank you for it, so you must know that American Soldiers for the most part have compassion to a far greater degree than others. And I would also like to point out the organization Oath Keepers. What other group of soldiers or peace officers does this?

Now contrast this with the devils that fight us now, who mingle among us, drink alcohol to camouflage themselves, who can deny their faith to fool the infidel, who visit strip club before they perpetrate their evil deeds, who think nothing of terrorizing anyone by torture and then cutting off their head with a dull knife.

No they are not the same or relative.
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Re: Jane Fonda, Stalin, Hitler, and Ceausescu

Postby Hockey Box » Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:58 pm

Abortion, Stalin, Health Plan, Cap & Trade...so what...all were right....practice them all..

It will not make any difference....with our debt...these plans, theories will not matter....
to a banana republic
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Re: Jane Fonda, Stalin, Hitler, and Ceausescu

Postby Thomas » Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:11 pm

Jeff Swanson wrote:Remember this is one of the main reason why the Northern Tribes were taken away by the Assyrians, they began passing their children through the fire. Not much unlike today, it was also for perceived personal benefit


Ancient Molech worship did include child sacrifice, however, this was ceremonial and Assyrians had children through concubines for this purpose. Passing children through the fire to Molech included also the dedication of their living children to Molech's service, future labor for tax purposes and future military service being the primary interest, which in return the parents would receive some type of State favor.

Who or what is Molech? This is Hebrew and consists of three consonants MLK which means King, so derivatives are Molech, Moloch, Melek and is also the root of the term Melchisedek (King of Righteousness). Molech worship was King or State worship. The Lord's prohibition of Molech worship and passing children through the fire was a total prohibition, and it is a mistake to contemplate this only in terms of child sacrifice as the main premise was the dedication of children to the service of the State. The former was ceremonial religious recognition of the totality of life being found in and through the King and his statist apparatus as an enabling act for the meaning of the latter. The State's insignia would be placed in the center of two pillars that erected bowls with fire in them and children would be passed through the fire, or in between the pillars, signifying the dedication of their children's future to the State.

Molech worship is alive and well today, in abortion certainly - and it mimicks the ancient practice as the majority of aborted children are conceived in whoredom's and are illegitimate children. While we don't have children with concubines explicitly for this purpose, we've erected a social system of concubines to do this for us in Roe v Wade. Their futures are sacrificed to the State, but the linked practice that is still just as sinister is the dedication of the lives of the living children to the service of the State, which practically every American does prior to their child leaving the hospital after it is born - it is called Social Security enumeration. In this system, parents pledge their children's future labor to the centralized planning of the State, which they in return receive State favors called "tax deductions."

While certainly it is correct to condemn the immorality of abortion, both on a personal as well as the feigned legality of it all - but when we fail to recognize that the moral guilt of our involvement in Molech worship is just as total and complete as the abortionist, then we fail to recognize the root sin here. Idolatry. The entire "pro-life" movement in the United States hasn't made any progress against abortion at all, they are hacking at the branches while the root continues to grow and continually sprouts anew.
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Re: Jane Fonda, Stalin, Hitler, and Ceausescu

Postby Jeff Swanson » Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:03 pm

Thomas:

I would agree with what you say, and that since we are free, we have the responsibility for our own actions, and why we are guilty of our sins. However without making excuses Planed Parenthood does a phenomenal job of flying under most people’s radar about what they are doing. Add to that the fact that most of their clients (victims) are young and therefore naive for lack of a better word, this has a lot to do with what they get away with. I wouldn’t think myself clever if I tricked a child. These people are experts at their ghoulish craft.

One more thing black people should look more closely at who Margret Sanger was and who supports this bunch, that would be a good place to start.
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Re: Jane Fonda, Stalin, Hitler, and Ceausescu

Postby Gazinya » Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:31 pm

Thomas. I think your punch line was cut short. Could you tell us again what you would do to get at the root? Thanks
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Re: Jane Fonda, Stalin, Hitler, and Ceausescu

Postby MET0516 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:07 pm

While I find many of Jane Fonda's past acts reprehensible, I believe that essentially comparing her to Joseph Stalin or Adolph Hitler is an exaggeration that does a disservice to Christians. Making comparisons like that makes all Christians look a bit looney and only serves to undermine our credibility. Regardless of what someone like Jane Fonda does or says, someone who disagrees with her should focus on rational explanations and comparisons of her activities.
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Re: Jane Fonda, Stalin, Hitler, and Ceausescu

Postby James » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:43 am

MET0516,

You need to re-read the article (or read past the title and actually read the content). Jane Fonda compared Christians and anti-abortionists to Stalin and Hitler.
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Re: Jane Fonda, Stalin, Hitler, and Ceausescu

Postby Thomas » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:35 am

Gazinya wrote:Thomas. I think your punch line was cut short. Could you tell us again what you would do to get at the root? Thanks


The ministry of American Vision addresses that in many respects, ultimately it really isn't that hard - its simply returning to God as God and serving Him. It's not hard to do that, but it does mean one is going to suffer. Jesus has become a kickstand to most of Christianity, I think. They talk a lot about Him and what He has done, but He's a religious appendage that props up one's life, not Lord and Master of it. People live in terms of socialism without questioning its meaning, in fact, they point to the Bible as authorizing their submission to another god because it is civil institution that is erecting an idol.

I think Christianity today is oblivious to the religious implications of conforming to the social order in which they live and the meaning that has upon them, they simply ignore it and accept socialistic claims and definitions that they are not religious, its just economic and maybe they disagree with it to some extent, but their activities within it doesn't rise to the level of idolatry in their conscience. What is happening, though, in reality is that their lives are being enveloped by a new religion - it's a political religion - and its willing to make room for Jesus as kickstand, one religious figure among many, provided everyone universally submit to the priority of the political religion. Once that envelope is sealed though, which seems to be happening at an alarming rate, then Jesus as a kickstand is going to become intolerable to the political religion.
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