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Tearing a Page from the Bible

Postby GaryDeMar » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:28 am

Ian McKellen of Lord of the Rings (Gandalf) and X-Men (Magneto) fame is an admitted homosexual. He is in the habit of tearing out the Bible passage that condemns homosexuality, specifically Leviticus 18:22 which reads, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.” He does this when he stays in a hotel that includes a Gideon Bible. He asserts, “I’m not proudly defacing the book, but it’s a choice between removing that page and throwing away the whole Bible.” His defiance is catching on. “I got delivered a package of 40 of those pages that had been torn out by a married couple I know. They put them on a bit of string so that I could hang it up in the bathroom.”

On April 15h of next year, I’m going to tear out the page that tells me how much tax I have to pay. That will show the IRS! The Bible isn’t McKellen’s problem. The God who stands behind the Bible is.

Christians who have capitulated to the homosexual lobby have done something similar by denying what the Bible explicitly states.
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Re: Tearing a Page from the Bible

Postby Lumberjack » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:06 am

Actually Dr. DeMar, the federal income tax is a voluntary tax ,as written. Also it was a fraud on the American People as the states votes to radify the Constitution was 5 votes short . The government doctored the count . Check your history.

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Re: Tearing a Page from the Bible

Postby James » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:14 am

Lumberjack wrote:Actually Dr. DeMar, the federal income tax is a voluntary tax, as written. Also it was a fraud on the American People as the states votes to ratify the Constitution was 5 votes short . The government doctored the count. Check your history.

Try not paying your taxes and see what happens.

The analogy works for the purpose of the post. Whether it is voluntary or a fraud it doesn't change the point. This post isn't about the validity of the income tax amendment.
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Re: Tearing a Page from the Bible

Postby JTownsend » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:46 am

I'm an accountant and I generally find this funny For Income taxes, it states that a volutary tax means that you have a tax and you will voluntarily pay it. Wether the government actually followed the chain of command is irrelevant since their ability to tax is rooted in their power to enforce their actions.

As this relates to Ian McClellan, the homosexual juggernaut is gaining power. Whether it actually follows the law, or uses brute force to impose itself on the people through things such as the new hate crimes legislation which was just passed is irrelevant. What is relevant is if they have the power to enforce their views on the rest of society. And right now they do.

I wonder every day where the line is between being polite and standing firmly and saying "No more." I think we have been too much on the "polite" side and not enough on the "Standing firm" side.
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Re: Tearing a Page from the Bible

Postby Wabbitt » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:44 pm

My mantra recently has become,
If I offend you, you're forgiven. As Jesus said, It's not I that judge you but these words (of the Bible) that judge you."
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Re: Tearing a Page from the Bible

Postby Thomas » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:28 pm

Ya' know, I really liked Lord of the Rings, I didn't need to know this about one of its lead characters - but now you've colored the man, or rather revealed his real person which was divorced from his movie character, at least in my knowledge, and ruined it for me.
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Re: Tearing a Page from the Bible

Postby shotgun » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:35 pm

Yeah...he SHALL NOT PASS!!!!...(into the pearly gates, that is...)
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Re: Tearing a Page from the Bible

Postby GaryDeMar » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:41 pm

Since I never cared for Lord of the Rings (it went on and on and on), it's hasn't been a disappointment. I wonder if adulterers will start tearing out those passages related to their behavior. Will thieves be next? Who couldn't make the same case for their behavior by simply stating that it's not immoral? If there is no God, then nothing is moral or immoral.
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Re: Tearing a Page from the Bible

Postby Thomas » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:37 pm

GaryDeMar wrote:I wonder if adulterers will start tearing out those passages related to their behavior. Will thieves be next?


It is a good analogy, but we all do this at least in our conscience when we sin - while we may not make our judgment against God so unequivocally explicit by mutilating the Bible, we certainly do deceive ourselves, or put barriers into our conscience, so that the effect is the same.

Adulterers have done this in our marriage laws whereby the sanctity of the covenant is mere tradition and the civil law rules. When we make our vows, we then sign a civil law contract that makes its meaning a legal nullity - so in effect we are all guilty in expunging the Divine law over our marriages, even if we do not enact the civil to nullify it personally. It is precisely the legal meaning of this activity that the sodomite demands "equal protection of the law," and all of the Courts that examine it side with them, after all if the heterosexual can spit in God's face whereby the meaning of his marriage covenant has no real legal meaning, then who are we to say the parties of that covenant must have real legal meaning too?

The same is also true as it regards numerous areas of our lives - especially when we submit to civil authorities that have expunged the moral force of God's law from the civil laws and yet men believe they are free to violate the divine, but tremble at the thought of violating the civil laws. Hence, your analogy to tax laws is good.

But overall, at least in the popular mind, the Divine law is an ancient relic with no moral force whatsoever - hence it is contemplated today that every man has a "Constitutional Right" to violate the Divine law. I experienced an interesting situation once, my wife and I had decided that we would forgoe several of the State's apparent requirements when one of our children was born. I was presented with the paperwork to sign at the hospital and said that I wasn't going to sign a couple of them. The nurses became belligerant, this was required by law and I didn't have any choice - yet they were prohibited from the activity unless I consented. Interesting? This devolved into higher hospital authorities meeting with me, all had a belligerent attitude about this supposed "law." Finally, I simply asked what the penalty was for violating this supposed "law," no one knew, but the fact I could even question my absolute duty to obey was beyond their comprehension. At that point I became a certified kook in their eyes - yet this is precisely how they approach the Divine law, but don't see the discrepancy.

Overall I think our society is a very obedient one, we just have a different Lord than the God of the Bible.
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Re: Tearing a Page from the Bible

Postby HappyHappy 1 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:13 pm

YES HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS TO THE BIBLE BUT HE BETTER LOOK OVER HIS SHOULDER AS TO WHO IS BEHIND HIM AND IT WON'T BE HIS BED PARTNER THAT'S FOR SURE.GOD'S WORDS ARE SEALED IN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS AND THAT HIM AND SATAN CAN'T TAKE.HE BETTER READ THE PART WHERE GOD SAYS "VENGENCE IS MINE" HE ALSO SAID "ALL SOULS BELONG TO ME" THIS GUY ISN'T HURTING ANYONE BUT HIMSELF. GOD'S WORD HAS LIVED ON FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO LIVE ON. SO LET NOT YOUR HEARTS BE TROUBLED.
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Re: Tearing a Page from the Bible

Postby Lumberjack » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:24 am

Sorry James, a little off topic, hey. I just thought American Vision and Dr.Gary DeMar was about restoring America back to it's biblical roots. With the reference to the federal income tax I thought it would be a good idea to throw a little biblical roots truth in the mix.

O.K., how about this - I wonder how many pages some cessationists would love to tear out of the Bible ?

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Re: Tearing a Page from the Bible

Postby gaveitup » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:10 pm

I have a better idea! Throw the whole thing away! Why mess around with just pages?
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